Sehr guter Kaffeeautomat, tolles Display Inbetriebnahme super leicht selbst erklärend !

Diese Maschine ist wirklich so toll! Der Kaffee schmeckt extrem lecker und die Bedienung ist einfach. Man hat sehr viele Auswahlmöglichkeiten und kann jedes Getränk hinsichtlich der Kaffeestärke und der Wassermenge anpassen. Wir möchten keine andere Maschine mehr, vor allem weil wir davor eine Kapselmaschine hatten.

Le produit en lui-même est super, je le recommande et je n'ai rien à dire. C'est la SAECO SM6585/00.Malheureusement, la facture émise fait état de la machine SAECO 6580.J'ai acheté ce modèle-là, entre autres car une action cashback était en cours (et l'est encore) mais du fait du mauvais intitulé de la facture, ma demande de participation à l'action a été refusée.J'écris ce problème ici car aucun moyen de contacter le vendeur pour obtenir une rectification de la facture d'achat.C'est dommage mais encore réparable, si le vendeur lit cette note, en m'envoyant la facture correcte avant le 31 janvier 2025.

Sicuramente una delle migliori sul mercato

Hier kurz mein Eindruck zur GranAroma Modell SM6580/10 nach einigen Wochen intensiver Nutzung.Das Modell erfüllt alle in Produktvorstellung und Rezensionen vorgestellten Eigenschaften und Funktionen in ausgezeichneter Qualität.Besonders sticht dabei Variabilität und die genauen Einstellmöglichkeiten der Getränke hervor.Zum Milchschaum im Vergleich zu manchem anderen Hersteller kann ich nur sagen: Exzellent.Der Automat produziert gut schmeckende Getränke, also z.B. auch einen kräftigen Kaffee, nach eigenen Einstellungen.Es ist empfehlenswert, diese selbst herauszufinden.Mir ist aufgefallen, daß die Maschine relativ viel Wasser verbraucht. Die Auffangschale füllt sich nach mehreren Brühvorgängen langsam mit Flüssigkeit.

Sehr schöne Maschiene,Sehr guten Milchschaum, guter Kaffee leicht zu reinigen.Kleines Manko das Mahlwerk ist relativ laut.

Na 3 jaar met goed onderhoud en officiële producten nu al kapot. Dan moet je het apparaat opsturen en de onderzoekskosten betalen. Dat is al weer €100,- alles bij elkaar een hoop geld voor een kop koffie.

I have two of these units. So first off you should know 1) This is a single boiler unit, I was under the impression it had two at time of purchase. 2) There is no cup warmer. 3) The GranAroma seems to be basically the exact same unit but with a smaller water tank, coffee hopper and puck bin. There was one software item not available not available in the GranAroma Deluxe, but I can't recall which one. 4) if you go on vacation make sure you turn the unit off if you use the auto on, so the cleaning cycles at power up don't overfill your drip pan. This hasn't happened yet, but just be aware. This unit was purchased for use in the U.S. with a set up converter, and it works great with the stepup converter.My goals are to be able to make a good cup of coffee, reliability, with little maintenance and fuss. This unit accomplishes my goals. I looked at the Jura's too and liked the ability to have a removable brew group and easy access to it. I looked at the Delonghi's are are priced very well here in Germany vs the US, but they looked lessor quality, and I liked the anti-scale filter Philips uses as it does make it easier to maintain. The Delonghi Dinamica I tried produced a good, strong cup of coffee, but not strong, flavorful espresso. Apparently this is known with the brand. The Jura does not have the ease of customability as the Saeco. The screens on the Jura are already dated, the software is slow and cumbersome. The giga 6 made good, very strong esspresso, as it should with a 16g coffee dose. Jura doesn't give software updates either. Saeco is the opposite of all this. The Saeco is fun to use. I liked the ceramic grinders too on the Saeco models as they are more quite than the Delonghi, Jura also uses ceramic grinders.So this is a very well designed and made unit within its price point. Details like the baffles in the drip tray are great. it is a pass/fail for me and it comes down to the layout of the machine and the bins which I find very easy to use. The screen is also very nice, it's big and all settings are more or less right there. YOu don't have to click in and out of 5 different menus to make a drink. The way the bins slide forward is very easy to keep the machine under a cabinet. I can usually empty the bin and refill the water at the same time. I was going to run a water line to it, but the water tank is easy to use and holds a good amount of water, I am not sure if I will or not. Since the Xelsis are considered top of the line in Saeco, I do wish easily adding a water line and drain line were options.I am not a big milk drinker, so I like having the milk tube I can stick in a small cup to pull milk and run cleaning in, vs dealing with milk carafe. If you leave the milk tube on, it can obstruct water tank removal unless the coffee nozzle is all the way up (Jura's are the same way). There is no hose storage, so I leave mine disconnected, with the stick in the little holder and the tube pointing toward the rear. Cleaning the milk system is a very very easy and effective. The milk foam is also very good quality.Philips does a terrible job at the manual and the meanings of all the adjustments. Basically all the machines have the same adjustments but the names will change and the levels of adjustability may differ. When you switch beans it takes a couple of cups to either adjust the grind, or dial in the brew. I usually do this on the coffee drinks. We have had some delicious drinks, but I would find beans you like, and stick with them for a while, dial in all the drinks and this will give you a change to enjoy the machine vs dealing with new beans and watery drinks to get it dialed in.You need to be careful sliding the machine back and forth, the sides are not strong, and it is easy to grab the drip tray but the drip tray is not strong enough to with stand the weight of the machine, it may bend. Some furniture felt on the feet make this easy.Wifi/Software BugsThe wifi works fine after initial set up. My router is 20ft away and I had to pull it out from under the counter to get it to connect. After that it was fine. IDK why. I am in the US and there is a clock issue with the wifi, the wifi will change the clock, and throw off the auto-on timing. I just disconnect the wifi and there is no issue. All the software bugs reported earlier, prior to spring of 2023 have all been resolved (other than the clock and using the unit in the US). The screen is better than the higher end Gaggia Accademica 2022 version, so unless you need a steam wand, I would get the Xelsis and they have the same internals.Sound, it is not that loud and it is not that quite. I thought about putting some dense black vinyl panels or rubber on the outside or inside of the side panels which would make the unit very quite. The sound absolutely comes from the sides, and Saeco could have put insulation in the help it. Low hanging fruit.Cleaning is very easy, just rinse the brew once a week. After a month, the unit started to make a high pitch squeaking sound, it was the brew unit under pressure. I lubed it (plenty of videos online) and the sound went away.Philips is a big company who can't get out of their own way. There are many international websites between Saeco, Philips, and Gaggia and it is hard to get questions answered as their tier one help is useless. They got rid of Saeco support and not yo have to deal with teir1 support who will email the superautomatic group. That takes a week to get a half assed answer back. Gaggia support has the same issues. Philips took a older Saeco unit, updated it and made it the new Gaggia Academia which has cup warmers and a milk frothing wand, cosmetics asid, the only other difference is you can adjust the settings during the brew cycle, which you can't now on the current Xelsis but could with older ones. The old Xelsis had a cup warmer too. The Gaggia line has far better documentations, and the wand makes it so you can really have a hot milk drink if you like that.Value - The 2020 model of the Xelsis sells in the US for $1700usd, it has a 3" screen and the price is ridiculous. So buying this newer version for 1k euro (on sale) is value. If I look at the 1k euro price over other machines, If you can get these on sale, there is value. There is value in the wifi too, as getting software updates and drink recipes is a lot of fun. It gives you a feeling of investment, vs with Jura, you buy a machine, and that is it, it is already dated.The Xelsis should have a cup warmer, they cheaped out by not having a cup warmer and I hate them for that, missed opportunity and it creates a problem of preheating cups now. I don't want to have USB cup warmers on the counter. i don't want to have to microwave water or anything like that. I keep the house cold in the winter time, so this is a frustrating point for me. Even if they offered a cup warmer as a aftermarket part. If the Supreme had a cup holder, I would have gone with the Supreme easily. It just seems that Saeco isn't thinking and subsequently cannibalizing their own Saeco product line and the design of the Xelsis, again for guys like me who don't want a carafe. Without actually using the GranAroma Deluxe, I would consider that for 800euro (onsale), especially if you are handy an can install water filler to off set a smaller water tank. For the 200euro difference between the Xelsis Deluxe and the GranAroma Deluxe you are basically just getting a larger foot print machine and thats about it. The extra space goes to water tank, bin, and not having a cup warmer. the 400+ euro difference between the Grand Aroma Deluxe and the Xelsis Supreme goes to the larger foot print, larger bins, 7" vs 5" screen (basically the same software), and the metal sides. I personally don't get it and think people should get more for their money. Saeco could easly take customers away from Jura. Since the software is basically the same across the three Saeco models, the build quality is the same, drink quality the same, and since these don't last forever I'd get the one you can get at the best price. Or get two, one for decaf! If only there way a way to swap in a different hopper for decaf coffee. I did not try the ground coffee bipass chute.This unit accomplishes my goals. Does it make me think things could be better or I left money on the table? It does. Do I think spending another 700+ euro for the Giggia Academia would make me feel better, probably not especially since I have to deal with a Carafe. If I was making a machine, i would want to try to make the best machine I could in a price range. Seems like Saeco missed some opportunity within it's product line buy not making the Suprema version with a cup warmer.

ok on commence par le début : Black friday , je me fais séduire par Brad et son joli minois , il me faut une machine à café à grains et ce sera une delonghi. Et je fais l'erreur de l'acheter ailleurs que sur Amazon . alors, de déconvenues en retours en atelier pour réparation, j'en viens à détester ma jolie delonghi (primadonna class actuellement 999€) et le SAV delonghi épouvantable . elle était pourtant formidable au début , facile à utiliser et avec des recettes excellentes . à force de déconvenues (j'ai harcelé le SAV delonghi pendant 2 mois) on me rembourse. j'opte cette fois pour un achat amazon , une siemens simple , basique .... trop basique pour moi. merci amazon : testée non approuvée je peux renvoyer.ET LA : TADAAAAM Saeco GranAromadésolée pour la longue intro , il fallait que j'explique d'ou vient mon engouement pour cette machine .donc cet engouement vient de la COMPARAISON .j'ai vu une delonghi à 1000€ j'ai vu une Siemens à 500 € , et je peux dire combien cette Saeco vaut le détour .-les finitions sont classe : filets de chrome par ci par la , quelques pieces en plastique mais bien pensées (et oui une grille inox sous la tasse ça se raye !) , elle est compacte (plus petite que la delonghi) et vraiment jolie.-nettoyage pratique : économies d'eau de dingue comparé aux 2 autres marques. se nettoie seule mais sans faire couler des litres d'eau . cycle hygiesteam pour le circuit lait topissime.-le café (of course) multitude de recettes / réglages . c'est juste du sur mesure . système de profils beaucoup plus simple que la delonghi , préférences enregistrées par profil.donc en bref , si vous cherchez une machine de qualité , avec beaucoup de recettes , un joli design , facile à nettoyer : GO SAECO

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Una macchina eccellente. Se settata bene... noi abbiamo messo al massimo la macinatura... e con la giusta miscela... Borbone (dopo averne provate diverse, è la migliore) il caffè è superiore a quello del bar. Il metodo per fare il cappuccio è strepitoso... comodissimo il beccuccio che pesca direttamente dalla bottiglia del latte e poi viene subito sterilizzato senza lasciare residui... il cappuccio ha una schiuma cremosa mai vista prima. Davvero consigliatissima anche se cara.